Tuesday, 17 September 2013

Phantom Keynotes

We have had several users report that some items in Keynote Legends could not be tracked down in any sheet view, even after verifying that keynoting default settings are correct. This issue had me scratching my head for a while until I figured out what was going on.
Here’s a typical scenario where this could occur: You have a core & shell project that was documented and under construction and the model gets copied as a new project for the Tenant build-out phase. As the model cleanup process commences, users start reporting that they cannot find some keynotes that are being reported on the legend.
While troubleshooting, I noticed that when enabling the view's underlay, the phantom keynotes showed up together with the tagged elements, which then led me to tweak the view range and ultimately discover how these project files were started and what the root of the problem was: when the view range was adjusted, keynoted elements were no longer visible, but still reported in the Keynote Legend. As you can see in the image below, a plumbing fixture was keynoted and properly listed in the legend:
Keynotes OkIn another view, the cut plane and top plane were lowered until the element and keynote were no longer visible in the view::
Keynotes NOT Ok
In the above image, you can also observe that right-clicking the family type also reveals that the object is not visible in the view, yet it reports in the legend. Note that hiding the element and/or tag in the view makes the legend update accordingly, but in the above example the legend is misreporting.
This has been confirmed as a bug and slated for a future fix. In the meantime, please be careful and use this example to help in your troubleshooting efforts.


Unknown said...

ah that explains a few things!
We have also discovered quirks with keynotes and dependent views. When a keynote legend is placed on a sheet with a dependent view, it will display keynotes from the parent view even if not visible on the dependent view.

Unknown said...

This issue along with the dependent views issue mentioned above, coupled with Keynotes Symbols going blank when Pipes are modified, has forced us to go back to the "Keynote" Symbol paired with the noteblock maneuver to create our "Keynotes". Biggest gripe is you can't Keynote with this method in 3d (have to do it on the sheet, arghh) And you have to create a million Keynote Legends along with their filters, instead of the just one for the ootb Revit Keynotes. Good to hear there is a fix coming! I was fanatical implementing the ootb Revit Keynotes and it bit me in the behind hard when I realized keynotes and/or symbols missing all throughout the Set when I printed. Not good!

Dave Baldacchino said...

Steve, is the dependent view issue happening in 2013 and 2014? There were issues with 2012 and before, where keynotes would show blank (you had to duplicate the view with detailing to get the keynotes to update properly; this bug was resolved in 2013).